最近Stack Overflow上有一群讨厌perl的人,所以我想我应该把我的“关于你最喜欢的语言你讨厌的五件事”的问题带到Stack Overflow上。拿你最喜欢的语言来说,告诉我你讨厌它的五件事。这些可能只是让你烦恼的事情,承认的设计缺陷,公认的性能问题,或任何其他类别。你只需要讨厌它,它必须是你最喜欢的语言。

不要拿它和其他语言比较,也不要谈论你已经讨厌的语言。不要用你最喜欢的语言谈论你喜欢的事情。我只是想听到你讨厌但能容忍的东西,这样你就可以使用所有其他的东西,我想听到你希望别人使用的语言。

每当有人试图把他们最喜欢的语言强加给我时,我就会问这个问题,有时是面试问题。如果有人找不出他最喜欢的工具的5个缺点,那他对它还不够了解,不能提倡它,也不能利用它赚大钱。他还没有在足够多的不同情况下使用它来充分探索它。他把它作为一种文化或宗教来倡导,这意味着如果我不选择他最喜欢的技术,我就错了。

我不在乎你用什么语言。不想使用特定的语言?那就不要。你通过尽职调查做出了明智的选择,但仍然没有使用它?好吧。有时正确的答案是“你有一个强大的编程团队,有良好的实践和丰富的Bar经验。改成Foo是愚蠢的。”


This is a good question for code reviews too. People who really know a codebase will have all sorts of suggestions for it, and those who don't know it so well have non-specific complaints. I ask things like "If you could start over on this project, what would you do differently?" In this fantasy land, users and programmers get to complain about anything and everything they don't like. "I want a better interface", "I want to separate the model from the view", "I'd use this module instead of this other one", "I'd rename this set of methods", or whatever they really don't like about the current situation. That's how I get a handle on how much a particular developer knows about the codebase. It's also a clue about how much of the programmer's ego is tied up in what he's telling me.

憎恨并不是衡量人们了解多少的唯一尺度,但我发现它是一个相当不错的尺度。他们讨厌的事情也让我知道他们对这个话题的思考有多好。


当前回答

我觉得最喜欢的语言是不可能选择的。动态类型和静态类型不能进行比较,所以我只列出我使用的是哪一种类型

C++:

Template metaprogramming syntax is ugly. An implicit ::value would make it much more concise ->. Why can't the compiler figure out that I'm doing a ptr.thing and just do -> for me? I hate whitespace. So the whole vector<vector<int>> has to be vector<vector<int> > makes me get the jitters and then I can't focus whenever I see that line of code and I end up trying to figure out a way to use int[][] or something Macros. I personally love the concept of macros. But with C++, I that the system is a hack I'm a hater of ;

Python:

字符串是不可变的。这样我就不能用string[4]="b" 通过引用隐式复制列表。哪个泄漏到[[0]*width]*height问题 缺少尾递归(每当我输入错误递归函数时,我必须安装IDLE以避免吐出1000条错误消息) 字典键不接受列表/字典 缺乏深度范围。当我做一个列表推导时,我不希望其中的变量影响到外部作用域

其他回答

Lua

我喜欢这门语言,但是有一些事情困扰了我很多年!

No (built-in) support of binary operations (as of 5.1, it might come with 5.2). Should have a built-in binary buffer implementation, allowing for example in place long string concatenation. I know it doesn't fit well in the syntax, but sometime I miss longVariableName++ or verboseVariableName += 5. Reference assumes knowledge of C (I have it but it is a minus for newcomers) and defers some help to C reference! And sometime it is too terse. It is starting to have a good deal of libraries, but you have to get them from various places. On the other hand, the download is very small! ;-)

Perl

我喜欢这门语言,我不想添加已经被使用过的东西,但还没有人提到过这一点,所以我就把它扔到锅上。当我使用这个特性时,我发现这是我一生中最可怕的经历(而且我用过汇编语言):

write()和format()函数。

它们的语法是最糟糕、最丑陋、最可怕的,但是它们并没有提供比printf()更好的功能更多的功能。任何人都不应该尝试使用这两个函数进行任何输出,因为它们有多糟糕。

我相信有人会不同意,但是当我研究它们,希望它们能解决我的问题时,我发现它们是一个“痛苦的世界”(引用Big Lebowski的话),我希望Perl6已经消除了它们,或者更好的是完全重写它们,使它们在某种程度上更可用和有用。

MEL(玛雅表达语言):

Single dimensions arrays: Forcing me to manually sync two or more lists, or use delimited strings to simulate more complex data structures. Naturally, they're immutable too. Single threaded and slow: Causing the entire Maya application to hang while it completes a task. Bonus points for not being able to kill long operations, instead having to close and re-open Maya. Script sourcing paths aren't recursive: Meaning every directory you want to store scripts in must all be added to the script path. No namespaces: Forcing the inconsistent use of naming conventions to make sure global procedures don't collide. Modal commands: Each command is modal, meaning the Create, Modify, and Query operations are all handled by setting flags. This also forced the developers to cause most of the commands to return arrays Inconsistent command style: Most array commands actually return arrays, but the Tokenize command has to take an array as a reference which it then populates, rather than spitting out an array. This among other inconsistencies.

这些以及其他几个原因是AutoDesk采用Python作为次要脚本语言的原因,这带来了其他一些令人讨厌的因素:

并不是所有的MEL命令都受支持:大多数都受支持,但有时您会发现自己不得不使用MEL()函数来执行一些任意代码。更糟糕的是,你不得不对它进行所有烦人的逃避。 继承了模态命令风格:必须使用相同的create=True, query=True, edit=True的东西。

PHP

没有构造函数重载 不一致的函数命名(str_replace,但strtolower) define()不像c++那样逐字替换全局变量。 在与XHTML组合时,像if-语句这样的语句必须以不缩进开始,即使为了保持XHTML缩进一致,XHTML是缩进的。

Ex:

你必须输入:

<?php
if($x == NULL)
{
?>
                     <p><?= $x . ' is null' ?></p>
<?php
}
?>

错误捕获非常糟糕

(不知道为什么又把5号改成了1号,随便了)

REBOL

REBOL是我最喜欢的语言之一。我不能说我有一个最喜欢的,尽管Haskell排名也很高。

Its odd syntax scares off many developers before they even give it a try. use [email rules url] [ ; A small DSL that sends email to people about URLs. rules: [ some [ into [ set email email! set url url! (send/subject email url reform [ "Check Out" url ]) ] ] ] ; Global context notify: func [ [catch] dsl [block!] ] [ unless parse dsl rules [ throw make error! "You screwed up somehow." ] ] ] notify [ [ a@b.com http://www.google.com ] [ b@c.com http://www.yahoo.com ] ] Recursive dialects are very easy to validate with PARSE but very difficult to evaluate. (Stacks can be helpful here.) REBOL has very poor integration with many popular technologies, particularly XML. I suspect this is partly arrogance, because the REBOL BLOCK! datatype can do almost everything XML can do. However, the real world has XML in it. No Unicode. Thanks to AltMe, REBOL's user community is very insular. I can understand why they want to use AltMe. It's written in REBOL and shows off its strengths. Unfortunately it also puts them off on their own little island.

即将到来的REBOL 3有望解决许多这些问题,除了最后一个。