最近Stack Overflow上有一群讨厌perl的人,所以我想我应该把我的“关于你最喜欢的语言你讨厌的五件事”的问题带到Stack Overflow上。拿你最喜欢的语言来说,告诉我你讨厌它的五件事。这些可能只是让你烦恼的事情,承认的设计缺陷,公认的性能问题,或任何其他类别。你只需要讨厌它,它必须是你最喜欢的语言。

不要拿它和其他语言比较,也不要谈论你已经讨厌的语言。不要用你最喜欢的语言谈论你喜欢的事情。我只是想听到你讨厌但能容忍的东西,这样你就可以使用所有其他的东西,我想听到你希望别人使用的语言。

每当有人试图把他们最喜欢的语言强加给我时,我就会问这个问题,有时是面试问题。如果有人找不出他最喜欢的工具的5个缺点,那他对它还不够了解,不能提倡它,也不能利用它赚大钱。他还没有在足够多的不同情况下使用它来充分探索它。他把它作为一种文化或宗教来倡导,这意味着如果我不选择他最喜欢的技术,我就错了。

我不在乎你用什么语言。不想使用特定的语言?那就不要。你通过尽职调查做出了明智的选择,但仍然没有使用它?好吧。有时正确的答案是“你有一个强大的编程团队,有良好的实践和丰富的Bar经验。改成Foo是愚蠢的。”


This is a good question for code reviews too. People who really know a codebase will have all sorts of suggestions for it, and those who don't know it so well have non-specific complaints. I ask things like "If you could start over on this project, what would you do differently?" In this fantasy land, users and programmers get to complain about anything and everything they don't like. "I want a better interface", "I want to separate the model from the view", "I'd use this module instead of this other one", "I'd rename this set of methods", or whatever they really don't like about the current situation. That's how I get a handle on how much a particular developer knows about the codebase. It's also a clue about how much of the programmer's ego is tied up in what he's telling me.

憎恨并不是衡量人们了解多少的唯一尺度,但我发现它是一个相当不错的尺度。他们讨厌的事情也让我知道他们对这个话题的思考有多好。


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Lua

我喜欢这门语言,但是有一些事情困扰了我很多年!

No (built-in) support of binary operations (as of 5.1, it might come with 5.2). Should have a built-in binary buffer implementation, allowing for example in place long string concatenation. I know it doesn't fit well in the syntax, but sometime I miss longVariableName++ or verboseVariableName += 5. Reference assumes knowledge of C (I have it but it is a minus for newcomers) and defers some help to C reference! And sometime it is too terse. It is starting to have a good deal of libraries, but you have to get them from various places. On the other hand, the download is very small! ;-)

其他回答

Common Lisp

conditions aren't classes (since classes came later), even though their interface is almost identical some of the names are just weird, e.g., flet / labels (only difference: scope), and defvar / defparameter (only difference: behavior when already defined), or any of the bit-twiddling functions (dpb, ldb, etc.) packages are ... really hard to get right -- every time I think I understand them, they don't do what I want built-in data structures and functions aren't as generic as they could be (e.g., why can't I define my own hash function portably?) multiple namespaces for functions, variables, etc. (I'm not opposed to this in principle, but CL made it too complex; Norvig has said he can't tell from the spec but there appear to be at least 7 namespaces)

MEL(玛雅表达语言):

Single dimensions arrays: Forcing me to manually sync two or more lists, or use delimited strings to simulate more complex data structures. Naturally, they're immutable too. Single threaded and slow: Causing the entire Maya application to hang while it completes a task. Bonus points for not being able to kill long operations, instead having to close and re-open Maya. Script sourcing paths aren't recursive: Meaning every directory you want to store scripts in must all be added to the script path. No namespaces: Forcing the inconsistent use of naming conventions to make sure global procedures don't collide. Modal commands: Each command is modal, meaning the Create, Modify, and Query operations are all handled by setting flags. This also forced the developers to cause most of the commands to return arrays Inconsistent command style: Most array commands actually return arrays, but the Tokenize command has to take an array as a reference which it then populates, rather than spitting out an array. This among other inconsistencies.

这些以及其他几个原因是AutoDesk采用Python作为次要脚本语言的原因,这带来了其他一些令人讨厌的因素:

并不是所有的MEL命令都受支持:大多数都受支持,但有时您会发现自己不得不使用MEL()函数来执行一些任意代码。更糟糕的是,你不得不对它进行所有烦人的逃避。 继承了模态命令风格:必须使用相同的create=True, query=True, edit=True的东西。

再给c++投一票…仍然是我最喜欢的语言,有几个亲密的追随者——C和Python。以下是我目前最讨厌的名单,排名不分先后:

Plethora of integer types inherited from C - way too many problems caused by signed vs. unsigned mistakes Copy constructors and assignment operators - why can't the compiler create one from the other automatically? Variable argument madness - va_list just doesn't work with objects and I'm so sick of problems created with sprintf(), snprintf(), vsnprintf(), and all of their relatives. Template implementation is required to be fully visible at compile time - I'm thinking of the lack of "export" implementations or at least usable ones Lack of support for properties - I want to have a read-only member like "a.x" that can be read publicly and only assigned internally. I really hate the "val=obj.getX()" and "obj.setX(val)". I really want properties with access control and a consistent syntax.

Perl

我喜欢这门语言,我不想添加已经被使用过的东西,但还没有人提到过这一点,所以我就把它扔到锅上。当我使用这个特性时,我发现这是我一生中最可怕的经历(而且我用过汇编语言):

write()和format()函数。

它们的语法是最糟糕、最丑陋、最可怕的,但是它们并没有提供比printf()更好的功能更多的功能。任何人都不应该尝试使用这两个函数进行任何输出,因为它们有多糟糕。

我相信有人会不同意,但是当我研究它们,希望它们能解决我的问题时,我发现它们是一个“痛苦的世界”(引用Big Lebowski的话),我希望Perl6已经消除了它们,或者更好的是完全重写它们,使它们在某种程度上更可用和有用。

我只有一个,但我相信它值得分享。

CSharp / .NET

我们有Length属性来获取数组中的元素个数,还有Count属性来获取集合中的元素个数。如果考虑到CLR在后台自动将IList、ICollection、IEnumerable添加到基于零的一维数组,那么它看起来就更奇怪了。

我相信CLR团队和BCL团队在讨论这个问题时遇到了困难;)