最近Stack Overflow上有一群讨厌perl的人,所以我想我应该把我的“关于你最喜欢的语言你讨厌的五件事”的问题带到Stack Overflow上。拿你最喜欢的语言来说,告诉我你讨厌它的五件事。这些可能只是让你烦恼的事情,承认的设计缺陷,公认的性能问题,或任何其他类别。你只需要讨厌它,它必须是你最喜欢的语言。

不要拿它和其他语言比较,也不要谈论你已经讨厌的语言。不要用你最喜欢的语言谈论你喜欢的事情。我只是想听到你讨厌但能容忍的东西,这样你就可以使用所有其他的东西,我想听到你希望别人使用的语言。

每当有人试图把他们最喜欢的语言强加给我时,我就会问这个问题,有时是面试问题。如果有人找不出他最喜欢的工具的5个缺点,那他对它还不够了解,不能提倡它,也不能利用它赚大钱。他还没有在足够多的不同情况下使用它来充分探索它。他把它作为一种文化或宗教来倡导,这意味着如果我不选择他最喜欢的技术,我就错了。

我不在乎你用什么语言。不想使用特定的语言?那就不要。你通过尽职调查做出了明智的选择,但仍然没有使用它?好吧。有时正确的答案是“你有一个强大的编程团队,有良好的实践和丰富的Bar经验。改成Foo是愚蠢的。”


This is a good question for code reviews too. People who really know a codebase will have all sorts of suggestions for it, and those who don't know it so well have non-specific complaints. I ask things like "If you could start over on this project, what would you do differently?" In this fantasy land, users and programmers get to complain about anything and everything they don't like. "I want a better interface", "I want to separate the model from the view", "I'd use this module instead of this other one", "I'd rename this set of methods", or whatever they really don't like about the current situation. That's how I get a handle on how much a particular developer knows about the codebase. It's also a clue about how much of the programmer's ego is tied up in what he's telling me.

憎恨并不是衡量人们了解多少的唯一尺度,但我发现它是一个相当不错的尺度。他们讨厌的事情也让我知道他们对这个话题的思考有多好。


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闲聊

我不想再用java、delphi、c#或ruby进行开发(这是不切实际的,因为我公司的主要开发语言是c#、delphi和java)。 从左到右的评估。 有类注释但没有方法注释(至少在Squeak中) 没有真正的标准库,在细节上有很多差异 缺少名称空间

其他回答

C#

我对c#非常满意,但这两个真的让我很恼火:

Constructor-based initialization for immutable classes is less convenient, less intuitive (when you read the code you don't understand what you assign to what), has less IDE backing than inline object initialization. This makes you lean towards mutable classes inevitably. I know this has been mentioned before, but I strictly have problems with initialization syntax for immutable classes. switch is too verbose. Whenever I see a situation where a switch would be proper, I'm really inclined to use an if..else if.. just because it's more terse (~30% less typing). I think there should be no fallthrough for switch, break should be implied, and case should allow comma separated list of values.

c++缺乏好的重构工具,缺乏受控异常

Java缺少模板,缺少const关键字

TCL

这是我最喜欢的语言,几乎可以做任何事情。多年来,它已经(慢慢地,非常缓慢地)演变为解决大多数让我烦恼的事情。而且这门语言非常灵活,很容易实现语法来覆盖那些仍然困扰我的东西。但是语言中有一些东西是不能轻易改变的,只是打破了它的禅意:

Arrays (of the associative kind, what Perl calls hash) don't have proper value semantics. This makes them awkward to pass to and return from functions. Also, this means that they can't be nested. For this reason dicts (dictionaries) were invented but too late, the nice array access syntax: $array($foo) is now forever taken by stupid arrays for backwards compatibility. We're now stuck with: dict get $dict $foo which is much more verbose and to me feels less readable. No real closures. Though it can be emulated somewhat by globals or namespaces but that defeats the reason for closures in the first place. Although, I can't really see for now how closures can be implemented in a pure value semantics system. Teacup is hard to use and is not at all intuitive compared to all other repository tool out there. This is more ActiveState's fault than tcl-core and doesn't really break tcl's Zen when coding but it is still very annoying.

Python,:

No switch keyword. And NO, dictionary is not a replacement for it. Not even a bunch of elif statements. Inconsistent line break handling. Why can I do: test = (1, 2, 3) And not: from itertools import cycle, islice, izip Why can't I do: if stuff \ and foo \ or bar: return "Formated string with %(arg)s" % \ {'arg': "bloody slash"} without using slashes? There is not one obvious and only one way to do it. Python fails on its motto just like Java failed on "Write once run anywhere". # what somebody from an another language would do if not test.has_key('foo'): test['foo'] = 0 n = test['foo'] = test['foo'] + 1 vs # what an agnostic beginer would do try: test['foo'] += 1 except KeyError: test['foo'] = 1 n = test['foo'] vs # what you end up after looking for dictionary default value in the python doc test.setdefault('foo', 0) n = test['foo'] = test['foo'] + 1 vs # what I would do n = test['foo'] = test.get('foo', 0) + 1 And the worst is that they don't do exactly the same thing. There are subtle differences. Choice between spaces and tabs. There should be no choice. Pick on, set it in stone and stop fighting. Why can you do that: test = {} test['foo'] = 0 but not: test = [] test[] = 0

附注:" ".join(l)是优秀的人。不要抱怨它,这并不明显,但考虑到迭代器模式,这是正确的方法。

Clojure

Lack of built-in syntax for optional and keyword parameters in function definitions. Sure, you can add it easily enough, but that means library writers don't use it. Pervasive destructuring hasn't proven to be a good substitute yet Lack of method combination (before/after/around methods of the sort found in Common Lisp) Too much reliance on Java interop, e.g. there's no built-in file IO Sometimes I want static typing. This one isn't pure hate; I usually prefer dynamic, and attempts to mix the two have been largely unsatisfactory There's no built-in fast binary serialization format for the built-in data structures, though I hear people are working on it