I've accepted an answer, but sadly, I believe we're stuck with our original worst case scenario: CAPTCHA everyone on purchase attempts of the crap. Short explanation: caching / web farms make it impossible to track hits, and any workaround (sending a non-cached web-beacon, writing to a unified table, etc.) slows the site down worse than the bots would. There is likely some pricey hardware from Cisco or the like that can help at a high level, but it's hard to justify the cost if CAPTCHA-ing everyone is an alternative. I'll attempt a more full explanation later, as well as cleaning this up for future searchers (though others are welcome to try, as it's community wiki).

情况

这是关于woot.com上的垃圾销售。我是Woot Workshop的总统,Woot Workshop是Woot的子公司,负责设计,撰写产品描述,播客,博客文章,并主持论坛。我使用CSS/HTML,对其他技术几乎不熟悉。我与开发人员密切合作,在这里讨论了所有的答案(以及我们的许多其他想法)。

可用性是我工作的重要组成部分,而让网站变得令人兴奋和有趣则是剩下的大部分工作。这就是下面三个目标的来源。验证码损害了可用性,机器人从我们的垃圾销售中偷走了乐趣和兴奋。

机器人一秒钟就会在我们的首页上猛击数十次屏幕抓取(和/或扫描我们的RSS),以寻找随机垃圾销售。他们一看到这个,就会触发程序的第二阶段登录,点击“我要一个”,填好表格,然后买下这些垃圾。

评价

lc:在stackoverflow和其他使用此方法的站点上,他们几乎总是处理已验证(登录)的用户,因为正在尝试的任务需要这样。

在Woot上,匿名(未登录)用户可以查看我们的主页。换句话说,撞击机器人可以不经过身份验证(除了IP地址之外基本上无法跟踪)。

所以我们又回到了扫描IP, a)在这个云网络和垃圾邮件僵尸的时代是相当无用的,b)考虑到来自一个IP地址的业务数量,捕获了太多无辜的人(更不用说非静态IP isp的问题和试图跟踪它的潜在性能影响)。

还有,让别人给我们打电话是最糟糕的情况。我们能让他们给你打电话吗?

布拉德克:内德·巴切德的方法看起来很酷,但它们是专门设计来击败为网络站点构建的机器人的。我们的问题是机器人是专门用来破坏我们网站的。其中一些方法可能只在很短的时间内有效,直到脚本编写人员将他们的机器人进化为忽略蜜罐,从屏幕上抓取附近的标签名称而不是表单id,并使用支持javascript的浏览器控件。

 

lc再次说道:“当然,除非炒作是你们营销计划的一部分。”是的,绝对是。当物品出现时的惊喜,以及当你设法得到一件物品时的兴奋,可能比你实际得到的垃圾一样重要,甚至更重要。任何消除先到/先得的东西都不利于“赢”的快感。

 

novatrust:就我个人而言,欢迎我们新的机器人霸主。我们实际上提供RSSfeeds,允许第三方应用程序扫描我们的网站的产品信息,但不是在主站HTML之前。如果我的理解正确的话,你的解决方案通过完全牺牲目标1来帮助目标2(性能问题),并放弃机器人将购买大部分垃圾的事实。我给你的回答投了赞成票,因为你最后一段的悲观情绪对我来说是准确的。这里似乎没有什么灵丹妙药。

其余的响应通常依赖于IP跟踪,这似乎是无用的(僵尸网络/僵尸/云网络)和有害的(捕获许多来自相同IP目的地的无辜的人)。

还有其他方法/想法吗?我的开发人员一直在说“让我们只做验证码”,但我希望有更少的侵入性方法,让所有真正想要我们的垃圾的人。

最初的问题

假设你卖的东西很便宜,但有很高的感知价值,而你的数量非常有限。没有人确切地知道你什么时候会卖这个东西。超过一百万人经常来看你卖什么。

你最终会发现脚本和机器人试图通过编程方式[a]找出你何时出售该道具,[b]确保他们是第一批购买该道具的人。这很糟糕,有两个原因:

你的网站被非人类攻击,拖慢了所有人的速度。 编剧最终“赢得”了产品,让常客感到被骗了。

一个看似显而易见的解决方案是为用户在下单前设置一些障碍,但这至少有三个问题:

The user experience sucks for humans, as they have to decipher CAPTCHA, pick out the cat, or solve a math problem. If the perceived benefit is high enough, and the crowd large enough, some group will find their way around any tweak, leading to an arms race. (This is especially true the simpler the tweak is; hidden 'comments' form, re-arranging the form elements, mis-labeling them, hidden 'gotcha' text all will work once and then need to be changed to fight targeting this specific form.) Even if the scripters can't 'solve' your tweak it doesn't prevent them from slamming your front page, and then sounding an alarm for the scripter to fill out the order, manually. Given they get the advantage from solving [a], they will likely still win [b] since they'll be the first humans reaching the order page. Additionally, 1. still happens, causing server errors and a decreased performance for everyone.

另一种解决方案是经常监视ip攻击,阻止它们进入防火墙,或以其他方式阻止它们排序。这个可以解2。和阻止[b],但扫描ip对性能的影响是巨大的,可能会导致更多像1这样的问题。比编剧自己造成的还要严重。此外,云网络和垃圾邮件僵尸的可能性使得IP检查相当无用。

第三个想法,强迫订单表单加载一段时间(比如半秒),可能会减慢快速订单的进度,但同样,脚本编写人员仍然是第一个进入的人,在任何速度下都不会对实际用户造成损害。

目标

将道具卖给非脚本人。 保持网站运行的速度不被机器人减慢。 不要让“正常”用户完成任何任务来证明他们是人类。


当前回答

我建议使用基于防火墙的解决方案。Netfilter/iptables与大多数防火墙一样,允许您设置单位时间内新页面请求的最大数量。

例如,为了限制分配给人类的页面视图的数量——比如说,每30秒6次请求——你可以发布以下规则:

iptables -N BADGUY
iptables -t filter -I BADGUY -m recent --set --name badguys

iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport http -m state --state NEW -m recent --name http --set
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport http -m state --state NEW -m recent --name http --rcheck --seconds 30 --hitcount 6 -j BADGUY
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport http -m state --state NEW -m recent --name http --rcheck --seconds  3 --hitcount 2 -j DROP

请注意,此限制将独立应用于每个访问者,因此一个用户滥用网站不会影响其他访问者。

希望这能有所帮助!

其他回答

As for CAPTCHAing everyone, why not use the Google solution of only requiring CAPTCHAs from IPs you suspect as being bots, or even just users that hammer the site? I'm sure asking someone for a CAPTCHA when they purchase isn't so bad if they've been hammering the site anyway, its just about the same as staying up and hitting F5 repeatedly. That or maybe require a periodic CAPTCHA when hammering, say every hundred (maybe smaller?) or so refreshes, to stop alarm-bots from working. You need some sort of CAPTCHA to prevent botting, but you also need to account for the fact that your real users will act like bots.

我将要描述的方法有两个要求。1) Javascript被强制执行2)一个具有有效http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb894287.aspx浏览器会话的web浏览器。

如果没有其中任何一个,你就是“故意”倒霉的。互联网被设计成允许匿名客户查看内容。简单的HTML没有办法解决这个问题。哦,我只是想说,简单的,基于图像的验证码很容易被击败,甚至作者也承认这一点。

Moving along to the problem and the solution. The problem is in two parts. The first is that you cannot block out an individual for "doing bad things". To fix this you setup a method that takes in the browsers valid session and generate a md5sum + salt + hash (of your own private device) and send it back to the browser. The browser then is REQUIRED to return that hashed key back during every post / get. If you do not ever get a valid browser session, then you reply back with "Please use a valid web browser blah blah blah". All popular browsers have valid browser session id's.

现在我们至少有了该浏览器会话的标识(我知道它不会永久锁定,但是通过简单的脚本很难“更新”一个浏览器会话),我们可以有效地锁定一个会话(例如;让脚本编写人员很难访问你的网站,而不会对有效用户造成任何惩罚)。

Now this next part is why it requires javascript. On the client you build a simple hash for each character that comes from the keyboard versus the value of the text in the textarea. That valid key comes over to the server as a simple hash and has to be validated. While this method could easily be reverse engineered, it does make it one extra hoop that individuals have to go through before they can submit data. Mind you this only prevents auto posting of data, not DOS with constant visits to the web site. If you even have access to ajax there is a way to send a salt and hash key across the wire and use javascript with it to build the onkeypress characters "valid token" that gets sent across the wire. Yes like I said it could easily be reversed engineered, but you see where I am going with this hopefully.

现在为了防止不断的交通滥用。有几种方法可以在给定有效的会话id后建立模式。这些模式(即使使用Random来抵消请求时间)的epsilon比人类试图重现相同的误差范围时要低。由于您有一个会话ID,并且您有一个“看起来像一个bot”的模式,那么您可以用一个简单的轻量级响应屏蔽该会话,该响应是20字节而不是200000字节。

You see here, the goal is to 1) make the anonymous non-anonymous (even if it's only per session) and 2) develop a method to identify bots vs. normal people by establishing patterns in the way they use your system. You can't say that the latter is impossible, because I have done it before. While, my implementations were for tracking video game bots I would seem to think that those algorithms for identifying a bot vs. a user can be generalized to the form of web site visits. If you reduce the traffic that the bots consume you reduce the load on your system. Mind you this still does not prevent DOS attacks, but it does reduce the amount of strain a bot produces on the system.

已经发布了一些其他/更好的解决方案,但为了完整起见,我想我会提到这个:

If your main concern is performance degradation, and you're looking at true hammering, then you're actually dealing with a DoS attack, and you should probably try to handle it accordingly. One common approach is to simply drop packets from an IP in the firewall after a number of connections per second/minute/etc. For example, the standard Linux firewall, iptables, has a standard operation matching function 'hashlimit', which could be used to correlate connection requests per time unit to an IP-address.

虽然,这个问题可能更适合于上一个so播客中提到的下一个so衍生产品,它还没有推出,所以我想可以回答:)

编辑: 正如novatrust指出的那样,仍然有ISP实际上没有分配ip给他们的客户,因此有效地,这样一个ISP的脚本客户将禁用该ISP的所有客户。

对每分钟发出如此多请求的用户代理进行计时。例如,如果有人在10分钟内每5秒请求一个页面,他们可能不是用户。但要做到这一点可能很棘手。

如果他们触发警报,将每个请求重定向到一个静态页面,尽可能少地使用DB-IO,并发送消息让他们知道他们将在X分钟内被允许返回。

重要的是,你应该只在页面请求上应用这个,忽略所有的媒体请求(js,图像等)。

那么使用Flash呢?

是的,我知道使用Flash的开销,加上一些用户将无法购买这些垃圾(即iPhone用户),这可能会造成不利影响,但在我看来,Flash可以防止屏幕抓取或至少使其变得困难。

我错了吗?

编辑添加

在你的提交表单上添加几个“隐藏”字段怎么样,就像我下面发现的那样:

Actually, best practice seems to be to use two hidden fields, one with an initial value, and one without. It's the rare bot which can ignore both fields. Check for one field to be blank, and the other to have the initial value. And hide them using CSS, not by making them "hidden" fields: .important { display : none ; } Please don't change the next two fields. Bots tend to like fields with names like 'address'. The text in the paragraph is for those few rare human beings who have a non-CSS capable browser. If you're not worried about them, you can leave it out. In the logic for processing the form, you'd do something like: if (address2 == "xyzzy" and address3 == "") { /* OK to send / } else { / probably have a bot */ }